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eToro: impressions, doubts and (ignored) lessons from copy trading

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Hi,
exactly four years ago, I started copying eToro investors / traders that I selected using the broker's built-in search engine (profitable in last two years, already being copied by others), followed by manual filtering, to take into account fluctuations in yearly returns, composition of their portfolios etc. With that, I got a list of 10 people whom I started to copy on a demo account:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u52f0XHfr-LauIscKcFDYF0yGTTUr6VY/view?usp=sharing
In the screenshot you can see that in case of the first two of them the amount invested was $10,000, while for the rest it was just $100. This is because I started copying the first two a couple of weeks earlier; eventually I changed this into $100 the same day I made the screenshot and this is when my calculations start - so this thing is irrelevant, I just cannot travel in time to make another screenshot.
What I did after that?
Well, within the next six weeks my profits oscillated between -$11 and +$9.50 (the biggest profit was on Nov 9, a day after US presidential elections). I found this "boring" and discontinued experimenting with copy trading.
Today I looked back at those ten traders. Here is what I found. Firstly, seven of them are not with eToro anymore; investorNo1, Simple-Stock-Mkt, tradingrelax, 4exPirate, primit, Gallojack, xjurokx. The other three traders are:
My observations and thoughts are as follows:
  1. Seven out of ten traders are not with eToro anymore, which makes me wonder why. I have no proof but my guess is they simply performed poorly, lost their copiers and closed their accounts. This is already alarming but what if they opened another account? Or, even worse, multiple accounts? They could be investing small money and try different risky approaches, hoping that at least one account will turn out profitable in the long turn, attracting potential copiers. (I'm not claiming that those 7 particular traders did this, it's just my general suspicion regarding some of eToro traders)
  2. I'm unable to calculate what would be my profit if I never stopped copying them, because I cannot check at what day and with what profit those seven traders left eToro. I'm guessing this would be an immense loss. On the other hand, considering the three traders who are still with eToro, I would lose more than a quarter of my assets!
What now?
I must be a quite adventurous person or at least an incorrigible optimist, because a month ago (exactly on Aug 26th) I started copying three traders with real money. Here is who they are.
rubymza (Heloise Greeff)

OlivierDanvel (Olivier Jean Andre Danvel)

rayvahey (Raymond Noel Vahey)
What was my strategy to hand-pick these particular traders? First I did some basic scanning using eToro's built-in search engine. The most important filter was that the trader was profitable within the last two years: unfortunately, eToro does not allow to reach details of earlier performance automatically. To know how the trader performed before 2019, I had to look at stats in the profile of each of them. I was also taking into account how often they trade (to avoid those who do only a couple of trades yearly), whether they were trading recently and whether they write posts regularly in their feed. With this, I got a list of fifteen candidates to copy:
As you already know, I finally chose three of them. Rubymza seemed to be the most trustworthy stock trader, based on profits, posts feed and regular trading, among other things. Regarding OlivierDanvel, his uniqueness is the ability to record continuous profits with the Forex market. Finally, with rayvahey I wanted to increase my exposure to the commodities market.
Wish me good luck!
Michael

P.S.
You might find those copy-trading related readings interesting:

Disclosures:
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Copy trading with eToro: impressions, doubts and (ignored) lessons

(no promotional content, no affiliate links)
Hi,
exactly four years ago, I started copying eToro investors / traders that I selected using the broker's built-in search engine (profitable in last two years, already being copied by others), followed by manual filtering, to take into account fluctuations in yearly returns, composition of their portfolios etc. With that, I got a list of 10 people whom I started to copy on a demo account:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u52f0XHfr-LauIscKcFDYF0yGTTUr6VY/view?usp=sharing
In the screenshot you can see that in case of the first two of them the amount invested was $10,000, while for the rest it was just $100. This is because I started copying the first two a couple of weeks earlier; eventually I changed this into $100 the same day I made the screenshot and this is when my calculations start - so this thing is irrelevant, I just cannot travel in time to make another screenshot.
What I did after that?
Well, within the next six weeks my profits oscillated between -$11 and +$9.50 (the biggest profit was on Nov 9, a day after US presidential elections). I found this "boring" and discontinued experimenting with copy trading.
Today I looked back at those ten traders. Here is what I found. Firstly, seven of them are not with eToro anymore; investorNo1, Simple-Stock-Mkt, tradingrelax, 4exPirate, primit, Gallojack, xjurokx. The other three traders are:
My observations and thoughts are as follows:
  1. Seven out of ten traders are not with eToro anymore, which makes me wonder why. I have no proof but my guess is they simply performed poorly, lost their copiers and closed their accounts. This is already alarming but what if they opened another account? Or, even worse, multiple accounts? They could be investing small money and try different risky approaches, hoping that at least one account will turn out profitable in the long turn, attracting potential copiers. (I'm not claiming that those 7 particular traders did this, it's just my general suspicion regarding some of eToro traders)
  2. I'm unable to calculate what would be my profit if I never stopped copying them, because I cannot check at what day and with what profit those seven traders left eToro. I'm guessing this would be an immense loss. On the other hand, considering the three traders who are still with eToro, I would lose more than a quarter of my assets!
What now?
I must be a quite adventurous person or at least an incorrigible optimist, because a month ago (exactly on Aug 26th) I started copying three traders with real money. Here is who they are.
rubymza (Heloise Greeff)

OlivierDanvel (Olivier Jean Andre Danvel)

rayvahey (Raymond Noel Vahey)
What was my strategy to hand-pick these particular traders? First I did some basic scanning using eToro's built-in search engine. The most important filter was that the trader was profitable within the last two years: unfortunately, eToro does not allow to reach details of earlier performance automatically. To know how the trader performed before 2019, I had to look at stats in the profile of each of them. I was also taking into account how often they trade (to avoid those who do only a couple of trades yearly), whether they were trading recently and whether they write posts regularly in their feed. With this, I got a list of fifteen candidates to copy:
As you already know, I finally chose three of them. Rubymza seemed to be the most trustworthy stock trader, based on profits, posts feed and regular trading, among other things. Regarding OlivierDanvel, his uniqueness is the ability to record continuous profits with the Forex market. Finally, with rayvahey I wanted to increase my exposure to the commodities market.
Wish me good luck!
Michael

P.S.
You might find those copy-trading related readings interesting:

Disclosures:
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My journey growing my passive income: Forex copy trading

Dear passive_income redditors,
For years I searched ways to enable me to earn enough passive income to cover my daily expenses. I have tried literally everything online I could get my hands on, not all of them being 100% passive. Matched betting and value betting for example made me a couple of grand, but were about 10 minutes a day and were not scalable at all since I got limited very quickly. Crypto investing made me some good money, but also a lot of stress since it was the Wild west in comparison with traditional investing and days could turn out to double your investment or half your investment. Besides that I purchased a real estate property partly from my job earnings and partly from my crypto realized gains and am starting to rent it out (I know, we can debate whether real estate is passive, but that is not the intention of my post). Things that lost me money were dropshipping businesses, Facebook ads, and a lot of other silly stuff.

But I found a hidden gem to make passive income easily. Earlier this year, around March I came across copytrading within the Forex market. I started in April 2019 with a deposit of $5,000. Today, June 12th, it's worth $5,800+. On average I got a 7-8% return in April and May on my deposit. While this is immense, it's more conservative to aim for a return of around 5% a month.
The idea is as follows: you copy the trades a professional and profitable trader makes by automating the process using optimal software. You pay a monthly fee to cover for the traders' signals and connect a VPS to these two. I'm not a technical guy at all so I pay a legit business 25% of my net earnings to set it up for me and monitor it daily. They also fix your account when errors appear once in a while with the software. This way your accounts follows a masters' account managed by this professional trader and just copies his trades automatically. The traders you can choose from have historical track-records. The one I follow averaged about 6.7% compounded monthly since the start of his account in 2015. Resulting in a total gain of about 1850%-1900%. This is a 19x initial investment in 4 years. By using welcome deposit bonuses that different Forex brokers offer, you could double the gain or halve the risk (something I definitely do). This method is 100% passive and there is no chance of someone being able to access your money since the trader that provides the signals never has access to your account. Your funds are between you and the Forex broker you sign up with. So you are at control of your money 24/7 and able to close trades whenever you want as well (not optimal to do).
Is it too good to be true?
If you think this, I can't blame you. I always read these scams of Forex people on social media and I've experienced different ''too good to be true'' situations in my life. But remember, your capital can't never be accessed and these people have track records. In the 9-10 weeks I participated now, every week was profitable. Highest drawdown that occurred was about 6% (which is only virtual). So don't take it from me, but try it. Keep in mind that the only downside is with a 5% return and the monthly costs of 75EUR you have to have a capital of around $5,000 to start with to be able to make good returns and let it compound up.
TLDR: copied someones trades in the Forex market using automatisation software. Paid 75EUR a month and made 16% in 9 weeks without doing anything.
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What T4B, RoboForex & other brokers bring to the table + why im still bullish af going forward for GVT

Pretty lengthy reply so thought id reply with a new thread for visibility:
@koalaindisguise -> ''Before the project launch, partnership with these forex companies was announced with a big hype. They were not US/UK financial institutions but at least they were companies with legal entities.
I was thinking/hoping that we would be able to entrust our tokens to professional brokers working under these companies. In the end, we have to deal with noname finance gurus on the internet who wants to gamble other people's savings with 50% success fee.
We are just slowly bleeding out one way or the other. I don't think US adoption will turn the table because of tokenomics.''
Before i start:
  • You talk about dealing with some noname finance gurus on the internet, and you would quite happily entrust your tokens to a 'professional broker'. This is the problem with the current industry. There is no transparency. You are entrusting your tokens blindly and you have no idea how your funds are actually being managed nor past performance of these brokers. Genesis Vision gives you the freedom to diversify your investments across multiple different managers, brokers, account types (forex/crypto/stocks) as well as GV Funds & even copytrading soon. With all past and real time results on display.
  • Some of these noname finance gurus might actually be pretty poor traders, in which case they will drop to the bottom of the pile and their trading history open for all to see. There are some good traders too, following all available investment advice would see you wait to make an investment in the right manager based on their program metrics.
  • TLDR - There are good eggs and there are bad eggs, blame the manager for their bad trades, not the platform. Also remember it was your choice to invest in that manager and all the metrics were available for you to view before you did.
Back to your question regarding partnerships:
Tools4Brokers:
  • T4B engage in technological maintenance and software development for brokerage companies, mainly in forex markets.
  • T4B provides solutions to over 250 companies from thirty different countrys
  • Aleksey Kutsenko CEO of Tools For Brokers is the co-founder & CBDO of Genesis Vision
  • Aleksey is responsible for the implementation strategy of the Genesis Vision platform in the Forex industry
  • T4B supply Genesis Vision with ready codebase solutions.
  • A few details on Alekseys background -> https://blog.genesis.vision/genesis-vision-development-plans-for-2018-from-our-cbdo-alexey-kutsenko-c9aa484bb714
IMO this is a very valuable partnership to have. T4B already had an existing portfolio of brokers prior to the release of the GVT platform. This will have proved greatly beneficial in relation to B2B networking for Genesis Vision, not to mention any techical knowledge and business advice T4B will have bought to the table. Going forward im sure this would continue to be greatly beneficial.
RoboForex:
  • RoboForex supports a roster of approximately 9400 assets from eight different categories, those being forex, stocks, indices, ETFs, commodities, metals, energies and even cryptocurrencies with liquidity for them provided by eight separate liquidity providers.
  • Genesis Vision managers have a “pro standard” account type, meaning that they have access to 36 currency pairs, metals, CFDs and cryptocurrencies.
  • GV Managers can trade with a leverage of up to 1:100
The RoboForex broker is just another broker to add to the list of tools and markets available for GV managers to trade on. I have not personally traded on RoboForex so cannot offer an opinion on how good of a broker they are, but at current they just add an addition choice for trading in the GV ecosystem.
This goes for other Crypto/Forex brokers that will arrive in the platform shortly and are currently integrated. With more and more tools and opportunites becoming available for both the current and future GV managers, the higher chances of creating a successful happy manager
MY reasons for continuing to be bullish on GVT
  • The team continue to focus on development that attracts more managers and investors to the platform (Okex, Huobi, Exante, Chinese translation, Copytrading etc.)
  • Im not saying every manager will be profitable, far from it, but more managers = more profits that flow through to buy pressure on GVT.
  • A new leveling system is being developed that rewards managers based on individual performance rather than creating competition between one another
  • Funds are extremely underrated
  • Some did not agree, but the addition of the multicurrency wallet was the BEST step to take. This will allow for further adoption of the platform and growth in the long run, some of you have seen this as a negative step because you are under the impression it has caused the price in sats to go down. I would like to see more assets added to the multicurrency wallet, not less.
  • The token has solid use cases & if you see the latest AMA their are discussions for additional use cases. These usecases scale heavily with adoption.
I check their Github daily. They are building out this platform making more tools and brokers available, which will only lead to increased adoption by Crypto/Forex Managers & Investors.
Then the marketing comes after the development is complete and the platform is perfected
  • We will see hundreds and in time thousands of managers longer term. If we take a conservative guess and say 20% of these managers are making profit, all this profit will flow through the GVT token. There is now only buy pressure on the token, the sell pressure was removed with the addition of the multicurrency wallet.
  • Some of you have previously said 'Well wont the investor just sell their profits distributed in GVT?'. Of course they can, if they choose too. But alternatively they can also hold GVT for reduced trading fees, reinvest their GVT to another program, invest in a GV Fund, subscribe to a copy trader using GVT as the subscription fee. The latter again, positively effects the Genesis Vision Token.
Heres my other reasons (Yes i've been watching GVT a long time):
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Genesis Vision - Development Progress Mega TL;DR

Genesis Vision - TL;DR
As usual I post this every few months or so after a significant update, to inform both old & new investors
Best places to stay up to date:
Upcoming developments:
Not developments as such, but we can also expect:
2019 Progress:
  • Fund reallocation history added
  • Manager financial statistics page added
  • Additional period history tab added
  • Ability to change brokers
  • Most of the terms on the platform will now display definitions when you hover your mouse cursor over them.
  • In the “Trades” tab on a page of a program, you can now export trading data for the selected period to Excel
  • You can now filter GV Funds by assets
  • When an investor creates a withdrawal request from an investment program, it automatically cancels the previous one.
  • Investors can now select an option to “Withdraw all”
  • Managers now have a separate “Program settings” section
  • The design of the “Program” page was updated and given a facelift. The new version now shows the program’s broker of choice, leverage, duration of the reporting period and more.
  • Addition of program ages to dashboard
  • Managers can now attach social network profiles to their accounts
  • Level/investment calculator
  • Complete revamp of the leveling system
  • First token burn - 1872 GVT / $5821.5 burnt
  • Copytrading & Signals released
  • Integration with Exante - Now full access to over 10,000 additional assets
  • Full integration with Huobi where traders can manage funds through the native Huobi UI
  • Adding new token listings on Huobi & Binance as soon as possible to GV Funds & Programs
  • Risk tags (high/medium/low) added to manager profiles
  • Added ability to hide closed programs in personal dashboard
  • Added open positions into the balance. So you can watch the performance of a program through both its closed and open positions
  • Added visibility to closed programs. So you can now see every program that was opened and managed by a manager
  • Additional tokens already added to GV Funds
  • QUARTERLY GV TOKEN BURN - Starting June 30th 2019
  • Roboforex Integration
  • Ability to short on the platform (via RoboForex)
  • Chain Plus conference in Seoul Korea
  • Genesis Markets & all of its materials translated into Chinese
  • Huobi/Genesis Markets bridge complete
  • Copytrading features
  • Signals w/subscriptions
  • Multicurrency wallet
  • Stop Outs
  • Platform Tags
  • Platform model change (less selling pressure on the GVT token)
  • Additional discounts both for copy trading and investment programs for HODLing GVT
2018 Progress:
  • Metatrader integration
  • Genesis Vision Alpha Version
  • IPFS Integration
  • Numerous trading competitions
  • Launch of Genesis Markets
  • Launch of the iOS & Android Genesis Vision apps
  • Live Platform Launch ~ 30th October
  • Completely overhauled UI/UX for iOS, Android, Investors & Manager portals
  • Fresh website for GV & GM
  • Finance Magnates London Summit
  • Sofia Investor Finance Forum
  • Huobi prestige Investors Fireside Dialogue (speakers)
  • Launch of Genesis Vision Funds
  • Removal of entry fees for level 1 & 2 managers
  • New leveling system -> https://blog.genesis.vision/do-your-level-best-7dc47d16b44e
  • Forex trading went live -> https://blog.genesis.vision/its-forex-time-89a72c7f5fac
In the works for the future (some speculation)
  • Chinese promotion - The platform and all of the reading materials will be translated into Chinese
  • Exploring the possibility of using Binance Chain
  • Genesis Vision DEX
  • Genesis Vision Network -> https://blog.genesis.vision/genesis-vision-network-10bf3e749688
  • Fiat Gateway
  • Bank & Stocks Integration
  • Further platform development for GV & Genesis Markets
  • Further development of all versions of the platform, ie iOS & Android
  • I personally believe we will see GVT listed on some exchanges in 2019
Current Partnerships/Integrations:
Platform statistics
  • Follow @GVTProgressBot on Twitter for updates every 24 hours
The team posted their results for Q1 2019 profits in this article:
Some more info on revenue:
Firstly, I am not part of the team, so any replies are just from research I have done into the project and available information:
1.) The team confirmed that there are 40 people working for Genesis Vision 25 are working in the office and 15 remotely. Jump in the TG if you would like to know more info or even talk to some of the other team members direct. Dmitry Nazarov = CEO, Ruslan Kamensky = Head of Development. (You can do your background research on these guys, they've got skills).
2.) Can't comment accurately on funds, because well, that's the teams business. Ofc a responsible investor should try and find out as much info as they can however.
  • The ICO raised -> $2,836,724 when ETH was around $250-$300 pre-bull run (you do the math).
  • The team/development tokens also amounted to 709,862 GVT/16% of the supply, these funds would/will have been used for development, these were locked for 1 year and released approx October 2018
3.) Sustainability is a big one. This is why I continue to follow GVT daily because I believe the Genesis Vision model is sustainable. See my previous post:
https://www.reddit.com/genesisvision/comments/9p80igenesis_vision_will_soon_become_a_self_sufficient/
TLDR - Here's how they will create revenue from the GV platform (taken from the whitepaper):
  • The project will receive profit from commissions on investment operations. Each investment will be charged 0.5%³ of the operation amount.
  • The project will also generate profit from managing its own fund and by investing it in successful managers of our platform.
  • Genesis Markets will create revenue from trading fees
Another thing to think about - The team have been extremely responsible with their funds. Zero funds have gone to waste and have been used in the most efficient way possible. One example (although a touchy subject) is marketing. The bottom line is marketing will ramp up when the project/platform has had more development (finishing integrating the brokers + additional features). The team have known that the correct time to market the platform is coming, just not yet... Obviously if they had 100's of millions from the ICO marketing would have been ongoing from Day 1. This is one example of being responsible with your investors/ICO funds.
If you would like some more information about the funds, the ICO etc. See these two links:
Bullish on GVT. You want reasons why im bullish? Re-read this post
submitted by elcryptonerd to genesisvision [link] [comments]

Genesis Vision - Development Progress TL;DR

Genesis Vision - TL;DR
As usual I post this every few months or so after a significant update, to inform both old & new investors
Best places to stay up to date:
Upcoming developments:
Not developments as such, but we can also expect:
2019 Progress:
  • Most of the terms on the platform will now display definitions when you hover your mouse cursor over them.
  • In the “Trades” tab on a page of a program, you can now export trading data for the selected period to Excel
  • You can now filter GV Funds by assets
  • When an investor creates a withdrawal request from an investment program, it automatically cancels the previous one.
  • Investors can now select an option to “Withdraw all”
  • Managers now have a separate “Program settings” section
  • The design of the “Program” page was updated and given a facelift. The new version now shows the program’s broker of choice, leverage, duration of the reporting period and more.
  • Addition of program ages to dashboard
  • Managers can now attach social network profiles to their accounts
  • Level/investment calculator
  • Complete revamp of the leveling system
  • First token burn - 1872 GVT / $5821.5 burnt
  • Copytrading & Signals released
  • Integration with Exante - Now full access to over 10,000 additional assets
  • Full integration with Huobi where traders can manage funds through the native Huobi UI
  • Adding new token listings on Huobi & Binance as soon as possible to GV Funds & Programs
  • Risk tags (high/medium/low) added to manager profiles
  • Added ability to hide closed programs in personal dashboard
  • Added open positions into the balance. So you can watch the performance of a program through both its closed and open positions
  • Added visibility to closed programs. So you can now see every program that was opened and managed by a manager
  • Additional tokens already added to GV Funds
  • QUARTERLY GV TOKEN BURN - Starting June 30th 2019
  • Roboforex Integration
  • Ability to short on the platform (via RoboForex)
  • Chain Plus conference in Seoul Korea
  • Genesis Markets & all of its materials translated into Chinese
  • Huobi/Genesis Markets bridge complete
  • Copytrading features
  • Signals w/subscriptions
  • Multicurrency wallet
  • Stop Outs
  • Platform Tags
  • Platform model change (less selling pressure on the GVT token)
  • Additional discounts both for copy trading and investment programs for HODLing GVT
2018 Progress:
  • Metatrader integration
  • Genesis Vision Alpha Version
  • IPFS Integration
  • Numerous trading competitions
  • Launch of Genesis Markets
  • Launch of the iOS & Android Genesis Vision apps
  • Live Platform Launch ~ 30th October
  • Completely overhauled UI/UX for iOS, Android, Investors & Manager portals
  • Fresh website for GV & GM
  • Finance Magnates London Summit
  • Sofia Investor Finance Forum
  • Huobi prestige Investors Fireside Dialogue (speakers)
  • Launch of Genesis Vision Funds
  • Removal of entry fees for level 1 & 2 managers
  • New leveling system -> https://blog.genesis.vision/do-your-level-best-7dc47d16b44e
  • Forex trading went live -> https://blog.genesis.vision/its-forex-time-89a72c7f5fac
In the works for the future (some speculation)
  • Chinese promotion - The platform and all of the reading materials will be translated into Chinese
  • Exploring the possibility of using Binance Chain
  • Genesis Vision DEX
  • Genesis Vision Network -> https://blog.genesis.vision/genesis-vision-network-10bf3e749688
  • Fiat Gateway
  • Bank & Stocks Integration
  • Further platform development for GV & Genesis Markets
  • Further development of all versions of the platform, ie iOS & Android
  • I personally believe we will see GVT listed on some exchanges in 2019
Current Partnerships/Integrations:
Platform statistics
  • Follow @GVTProgressBot on Twitter for updates every 24 hours
The team posted their results for Q1 2019 profits in this article:
Some more info on revenue:
Firstly, I am not part of the team, so any replies are just from research I have done into the project and available information:
1.) The team confirmed that there are 40 people working for Genesis Vision 25 are working in the office and 15 remotely. Jump in the TG if you would like to know more info or even talk to some of the other team members direct. Dmitry Nazarov = CEO, Ruslan Kamensky = Head of Development. (You can do your background research on these guys, they've got skills).
2.) Can't comment accurately on funds, because well, that's the teams business. Ofc a responsible investor should try and find out as much info as they can however.
  • The ICO raised -> $2,836,724 when ETH was around $250-$300 pre-bull run (you do the math).
  • The team/development tokens also amounted to 709,862 GVT/16% of the supply, these funds would/will have been used for development, and remember GVT's ATH was $51 - So if they sold anywhere near this top then there's some hefty funds right there, albeit some are actual team tokens.
3.) Sustainability is a big one. This is why I continue to follow GVT daily because I believe the Genesis Vision model is sustainable. See my previous post:
https://www.reddit.com/genesisvision/comments/9p80igenesis_vision_will_soon_become_a_self_sufficient/
TLDR - Here's how they will create revenue from the GV platform (taken from the whitepaper):
  • The project will receive profit from commissions on investment operations. Each investment will be charged 0.5%³ of the operation amount.
  • The project will also generate profit from managing its own fund and by investing it in successful managers of our platform.
  • Genesis Markets will create revenue from trading fees
Another thing to think about - The team have been extremely responsible with their funds. Zero funds have gone to waste and have been used in the most efficient way possible. One example (although a touchy subject) is marketing. The bottom line is marketing will ramp up when the project/platform has had more development (finishing integrating the brokers + additional features). The team have known that the correct time to market the platform is coming, just not yet... Obviously if they had 100's of millions from the ICO marketing would have been ongoing from Day 1. This is one example of being responsible with your investors/ICO funds.
If you would like some more information about the funds, the ICO etc. See these two links:
Bullish on GVT. You want reasons why im bullish? Re-read this post
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What's your view of copy-trading? Can it be used for a steady income?

EDIT:

I opened 6 €100 copytrading accounts two weeks ago. €20 return so far. But now a drawdown of more than €40. Martingale-alert. More details here: https://www.reddit.com/Forex/comments/8iudxx/whats_your_view_of_copytrading_can_it_be_used_fodz0l2wd/?context=10
I shut it all down except one and plan to invest in classic funds instead.
I want to trade in any case. But trading for a living is hard, e.g. pressure leads to bad decisions.

Theory

Hypothetically:
  • If you pick good traders (and they get some of your resulting winnings, so they have strong incentive not to collapse, cause this will make people leave, and new ones will see the painful dents and not join)
  • and you limit your max. drawdown (auto-pause the copy-trading and send email)
  • and you limit your risk (less growth, but also less loss, thereby more reliably manifesting the upwards-probability of those traders; smoothing the curve but making it less steep)
... you should be able to put a large enough amount of money in, and that's all you need for a steady good income. Any additional money could be used for your own trading. And of course put some aside.

Practice

One week of data - crassly insufficient. But better than nothing.
  • I opened 5 copy-trading investment accounts, €100 each. Like I said above, I defined max drawdown and limited the risk/win to half.
  • After 1 week, these are the results: €+9.62 $+1.15 $-4.17 $+9.61 $-0.26 = $15.95 (Ignoring the higher value of the euro position.)
MORE data is needed. And after a while, I should pick different ones, except for those who were good to me.
$16/$600 (€500) = ~2.7%
There will be better traders. There will be better phases. There will be worse phases, but no total loss of capital as that's absolutely excluded.
So, conservatively speaking: Let's say 2% growth per week. Let's throw $20,000 at this. That's $400 per week. And assuming you're not otherwise naked, that will grow your capital, so your copy-trading income will grow accordingly.
Excessive capital can be used to trade yourself.

Question

What is your position on copy-trading?
Yes, there are scams / fake accounts out there, e.g. non-verified myfxbook.com accounts (Btw., is betrayal still possible even with completely verified/public accounts? How? Can it be avoided?), but there's also legit ones. E.g. I'm with a trading service ("Broker"?) that not only has trading accounts but also copy traders, it's all a closed system, so if the broker is legit, then there's no way that the data based on which I pick those traders is untrue.
So, ignoring the problem of picking legit traders: WHAT is your opinion? Good? Bad? Unconditionally to be avoided because XYZ?
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